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Oraac Ensor
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Posted - 2015.05.15 04:42:16 -
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Zoe Athame wrote:Anytime someone explains why they don't want to join a corp their answer is always super extreme as if they heard one hyperbolic story and based their entire understanding on it. No, it isn't. |

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Posted - 2015.05.15 04:43:29 -
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GordonO wrote:I would offer some advice, but that would be against your principles of working with someone in an MMO, and I would hate to be the one to ruin your enjoyment of this game..  How, exactly? |

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Posted - 2015.05.15 04:47:48 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Uh, I guess you could do some exploration, run level 4's, do all seven epic arcs, buy a carrier, do level fives, move to w-space, solo a c6 site in a dread and then quit out of boredom? Just make sure you don't get ganked an never interact with the market. You might encounter pvp there.
Are we sure this isn't a troll thread? This really seems like cutting out most of what eve has to offer. The only real options I can think of is getting into industry/trading which is a form of pvp, or just grinding the same missions over and over, which still will have pvp in the form of ganking and selling to the market. I suppose you did read the OP?
That's exactly what he's enquiring about.
And please stop the "all EVE is PvP" crap - you know EXACTLY what he means by "PvP". |

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Posted - 2015.05.15 06:47:37 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:And please stop the "all EVE is PvP" crap - you know EXACTLY what he means by "PvP". The problem is that all the activities in EVE are interrelated in such a way that they do basically boil down to the traditional understanding of "PvP"... that being conflict with other players, usually at the end of a gun barrel. That's why people by-and-large say that EVE is about PvP. No, that is not the problem.
The problem is that people deliberately misconstrue what is meant by "PvP" when someone says they don't want it.
I refuse to believe that there is anyone on these forums who doesn't know that "PvP" in this context means DIRECT player versus player COMBAT.
The OP is enquiring about going into industry as an independent enterprise. Do you seriously believe that he doesn't realise that he will have to compete with other industrialists in that endeavour, whether selling to the open market or by arrangement with a particular corp? If you do you are grossly insulting his intelligence. |

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Posted - 2015.05.15 07:28:10 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:I saw a mammoth in one corp get shot down by a nightmare during undock earlier today. What's that mammoth doing being PVPed when they're just a poor industrialist?
Was it market competition that evolved into direct warfare? It's certainly possible. That's what is meant by "all play eventually intersects pvp". Anything you can do in this game will eventually involve other players shooting you. Thank you for providing an excellent example of exactly the sort of deliberate misinterpretation that I mentioned. |

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Posted - 2015.05.15 14:20:48 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Not sure if by solo you mean 'zero interaction with other players' or not. I don't think anyone ever means that when referring to EVE. That would mean never buying anything meaningful from the market other than skill books and only selling the stuff that's bought only by NPCs. It's virtually impossible.
In the OP's case he specifically mentions forming a relationship with a corp - how would he do that without interacting with other players? |

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Posted - 2015.05.15 17:35:00 -
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Lost Greybeard wrote:If you don't want to interact with other players . . .
Oraac Ensor wrote:. . . he specifically mentions forming a relationship with a corp - how would he do that without interacting with other players? |

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Posted - 2015.05.15 23:46:59 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:Lost Greybeard wrote:If you don't want to interact with other players . . . Oraac Ensor wrote:. . . he specifically mentions forming a relationship with a corp - how would he do that without interacting with other players? Actually he specifically mentions not joining a corp. Quote:I don't plan to join a corp Irrelevant - he clearly indicates that although he doesn't want to join a corp he is perfectly willing to enter into an arrangement with one and therefore is not averse to interacting with other players. |

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Posted - 2015.05.16 00:10:27 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:GordonO wrote:I would offer some advice, but that would be against your principles of working with someone in an MMO, and I would hate to be the one to ruin your enjoyment of this game..  How, exactly? Well if he helped him then he would be working with him thus breaking the OP's rule. You have answered your own question. It seems self evident to me not sure how you are questioning that one. The OP is asking for advice and has indicated a willingness to work with other players. What "rule" would be broken by offering the advice he asks for? |

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Posted - 2015.05.16 00:11:44 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Uh, I guess you could do some exploration, run level 4's, do all seven epic arcs, buy a carrier, do level fives, move to w-space, solo a c6 site in a dread and then quit out of boredom? Just make sure you don't get ganked an never interact with the market. You might encounter pvp there.
Are we sure this isn't a troll thread? This really seems like cutting out most of what eve has to offer. The only real options I can think of is getting into industry/trading which is a form of pvp, or just grinding the same missions over and over, which still will have pvp in the form of ganking and selling to the market. I suppose you did read the OP? That's exactly what he's enquiring about. And please stop the "all EVE is PvP" crap - you know EXACTLY what he means by "PvP". This is a common misconception in my opinion. Most people assume that everyone else knows what they know and think that their knowledge base and their perspective is shared by everyone. So when some asks legitimate questions or tries to clarify certain points they think they are being coy or manipulative when they are genuinely looking for a more clear understanding. That's a game to be played in GD, not NCQ&A. |

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Posted - 2015.05.16 00:13:58 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:
The problem is that people deliberately misconstrue what is meant by "PvP" when someone says they want to avoid it as much as possible.
I refuse to believe that there is anyone on these forums who doesn't know that "PvP" in this context means DIRECT player versus player COMBAT.
The OP is enquiring about going into industry as an independent enterprise. Do you seriously believe that he doesn't realise that he will have to compete with other industrialists in that endeavour, whether selling to the open market or by arrangement with a particular corp? If you do you are grossly insulting his intelligence.
So here we go again. You are assuming that your perspective is the "right" one and that anyone that sees things differently is wrong and dumb or playing the Devil's advocate and trying to argue for the sake of argument.. In order to have an open and intelligent and emotionally sharing conversation sometimes we have to hammer out how each of us is defining certain things. Your definition of PvP here that you think is so absolute is only your definition. I have had these clarifying conversation over this exact definition on this forum several times. I personally define PvP as any activity in which you are attempting to gain an advantage or win or otherwise compete with other players. Under that definition two players could help each other out by "testing fits" and shooting at each other all day long and not be PvPing since neither was trying to win or beat the other. On the flip side of that you could be sitting in station in jita all day long playing the lower by 1 isk game and be PvPing all day. Thank you for yet another excellent illustration of the deliberate misinterpretation that I am referring to. |

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Posted - 2015.05.16 02:24:54 -
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Eve Solecist wrote: This thread would have been over long ago ... ... if someone just went and ganked him. some people weren't so insistent on deliberately misconstruing the OP.
FTFY |
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